Destination Change Podcast
Welcome to Destination Change, a podcast co-produced by CCAPP and NBHAP.
Angie Fiedler Sutton interviews people from the behavioral health and addiction treatment industry. We talk about how they got involved in the industry, what they do (and sometimes how), and why it's important. The topics are recovery, treatment, the idea of change in the industry, and more.
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Destination Change: Episode 31 — Christopher Wolfington and Pete Nielsen Talk Patient Financial Responsibility
- Episode: 31
- Guest: Christopher Wolfington and Pete Nielsen
- Date Released: September 16, 2025
- Length: 57 minutes
In this episode, Chris Wolfington and Pete Nielsen have an off-the-cuff conversation about patient financial responsibility and how it affects the industry.
Destination Change: Episode 29 — From Junkie to Judge’s Mary Beth O’Connor
- Episode: 29
- Guest: From Junkie to Judge’s Mary Beth O’Connor
- Date Released: July 16, 2025
- Length: 40 minutes
In this episode, Mary Beth O’Connor talks about her memoir, her own recovery and the different paths of recovery, and her work training attorneys and judges in the addiction treatment space.
Destination Change: Episode 27 — Gina Thorne with GTC Consulting
- Episode: 27
- Guest: Gina Thorne with GTC Consulting
- Date Released: May 16, 2025
- Length: 50 minutes
In this episode, Gina Thorne talks about marketing, working with alumni, and business development in the industry.
Destination Change: Episode 25 — Mark Attanasi with IC&RC
- Episode: 25
- Guest: Mark Attanasi with IC&RC
- Date Released: March 16, 2025
- Length: 47 minutes
In this episode, we talk to Mark Attanasi about his work with the Oklahoma Drug & Alcohol Professional Counselor Association (ODAPCA) and IC&RC. We also talk about his history both in the industry and as someone in recovery himself.
Destination Change: Episode 23 — Tim Cesario with TJC Consulting, LLC
- Episode: 23
- Guest: Tim Cesario with TJC Consulting, LLC
- Date Released: January 16, 2025
- Length: 29 minutes
In this episode, we talk to Tim Cesario about his work with the Kentucky recovery community and TJC Consulting, LLC.
Destination Change: Episode 21 — Julie Seitz with All Rise
- Episode: 21
- Guest: Julie Seitz with All Rise
- Date Released: November 16, 2024
- Length: 30 minutes
In this episode, we talk to Julie Seitz about treatment courts and how it interacts with recovery as a journey.
Destination Change: Episode 19 — B J Davis
- Episode: 19
- Guest: B J Davis
- Date Released: September 16, 2024
- Length: 1 hour, 18 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 17 — Jeffrey Quamme
- Episode: 17
- Guest: Jeffrey Quamme
- Date Released: July 16, 2024
- Length: 33 minutes, 12 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 15 — Lee Dalphonse
- Episode: 15
- Guest: Lee Dalphonse
- Date Released: May 16, 2024
- Length: 40 minutes, 31 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 13 — Andrew Kessler
- Episode: 13
- Guest: Andrew Kessler
- Date Released: March 16, 2024
- Length: 45 minutes, 28 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 11 — Tom Karl
- Episode: 11
- Guest: Tom Karl
- Date Released: January 18, 2024
- Length: 35 minutes, 19 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 9 — Mell McCracken
- Episode: 9
- Guest: Mell McCracken
- Date Released: November 20, 2023
- Length: 32 minutes, 33 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 7 — Patrick Lockwood
- Episode: 7
- Guest: Dr. Patrick Lockwood
- Date Released: September 16, 2023
- Length: 40 minutes, 21 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 5 — Harry Nelson
- Episode: 5
- Guest: Harry Nelson
- Date Released: July 17, 2023
- Length: 36 minutes, 37 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 3 — Dave Sheridan
- Episode: 3
- Guest: Dave Sheridan
- Date Released: May 16, 2023
- Length: 39 minutes, 53 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 1 — Kristina Padilla
- Episode: 1
- Guest: Kristina Padilla
- Date Released: January 16, 2023
- Length: 37 minutes, 35 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 30 — Pattie Vargas and Being a Grief Educator
- Episode: 30
- Guest: Pattie Vargas and Being a Grief Educator
- Date Released: August 16, 2025
- Length: 40 minutes
In this episode, we talk to Pattie Vargas about grief: going through it, helping others, and her work as a Grief Educator and advocate.
Destination Change: Episode 28 — Dr. David Best of the Centre for Addiction Recovery Research
- Episode: 28
- Guest: Dr. David Best of the Centre for Addiction Recovery Research
- Date Released: June 16, 2025
- Length: 34 minutes
In this episode, we talk to Dr. David Best about recovery capital, researching addiction recovery, and peer recovery.
Destination Change: Episode 26 — Marketing in the Industry with Nick Jaworski
- Episode: 26
- Guest: Marketing in the Industry with Nick Jaworski
- Date Released: April 16, 2025
- Length: 52 minutes, 35 seconds
In this episode, we talk to Nick Jaworski about marketing the addiction treatment and behavioral health industry, both the good and the bad.
Destination Change: Episode 24 — Drew LaBoon of Pathways
- Episode: 24
- Guest: Drew LaBoon of Pathways
- Date Released: February 16, 2025
- Length: 38 minutes
In this episode, Drew LaBoon talks about his work as a CEO and community engagement.
Destination Change: Episode 22 — Dr. Louise Stanger with All About Interventions
- Episode: 22
- Guest: Dr. Louise Stanger with All About Interventions
- Date Released: December 16, 2024
- Length: 39 minutes
In this episode, Dr. Louise Stanger from All About Interventions talks about trauma, interventions, and more.
Destination Change: Episode 20 — Jordan Young
- Episode: 20
- Guest: Jordan Young
- Date Released: October 16, 2024
- Length: 35 minutes
Destination Change: Episode 18 — Jason Roop
- Episode: 18
- Guest: Jason Roop
- Date Released: August 16, 2024
- Length: 35 minutes, 19 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 16 — Ryan Hampton
- Episode: 16
- Guest: Ryan Hampton
- Date Released: May 16, 2024
- Length: 40 minutes, 31 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 14 — Jen Carvalho
- Episode: 14
- Guest: Jen Carvalho
- Date Released: April 16, 2024
- Length: 32 minutes, 06 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 12 — Nick Stavros
- Episode: 12
- Guest: Nick Stavros
- Date Released: February 16, 2024
- Length: 40 minutes, 20 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 10 — Yvonne Vollaire
- Episode: 10
- Guest: Yvonne Vollaire
- Date Released: December 16, 2023
- Length: 40 minutes, 25 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 8 — Dan Manson
- Episode: 8
- Guest: Dan Manson
- Date Released: October 16, 2023
- Length: 34 minutes, 59 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 6 — Marlon Rollins
- Episode: 6
- Guest: Dr. Marlon Rollins
- Date Released: August 16, 2023
- Length: 55 minutes, 30 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 4 — Zac Spowart
- Episode: 4
- Guest: Zac Spowart
- Date Released: June 28, 2023
- Length: 42 minutes, 32 seconds
Destination Change: Episode 2 — Pete Nielsen
- Episode: 2
- Guest: Pete Nielsen
- Date Released: March 16, 2023
- Length: 33 minutes, 55 seconds
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